Unnecessary deadline for an unrealistic solution. Strongly oppose. Additional time should be requested for further research that is not aimed at correcting one issue by creating another issue.
I oppose this project strongly---for all the reasons voiced at the October council meeting by numerous citizens. Hermosa Beach's potential risk is many times greater than the loss of grants accepted by the council originally. Ruining South Park to "correct" it only compounds the error in judgment. It requires courage to admit the original acceptance was wrong. Better to rescind the approval now, accept the fact that the whole project as originally envisioned was based on poor research (or none), and proceed from there. Throwing more money down a rat hole is an abuse of the power granted to council by the voters. Please show you have the courage we voters thought you had. We can live with honesty. Can you?
Dear Counsel members,
Please do not destroy the treasures that are South Park and the Greenbelt and site this project elsewhere.
As a South Hermosa resident, I walk this trail and use this park daily. They are both in constant use by people of all ages. Please do not destroy our children’s safe walk to school and places to play. Please site this project under Herondo street or another location that will not destroy our neighborhood’s quality of life.
This is terrible for Hermosa Beach destroying our community vs. seriously woking with the communities that contribute 90%+ of the waste
As residents who live adjacent to the Greenbelt and 2nd Street, my family and I strongly oppose the Greenbelt infiltration project. We support that the city of Hermosa Beach should implement storm water capture projects that benefit the water quality of our beaches, however these projects should be the appropriate scope for our city.
The greenbelt is a place for our kids to walk and feel safe. I oppose this project it will affect our safety as well noise impact!!
Dear HB City Council,
Thank you for listening to our concerns concerning the infiltration project along the green belt.
Please register my negative response in regards to athe proposed sight next to the Mooring condo complex. I feel that it may negatively affect the underlying ground stability and ultimate cause harm to our properties.
Resident of the Mooring condo complex at 501 Herondo St.
I do not live near either South Park or the southern greenbelt. My opposition is to the disruption of construction and the inadvisability of placing the facility in close proximity to residents' homes. This is as bad an idea as oil drilling in HB because of the extreme density of our community.
Dear City Council,
What I would like to bring up is the history of making fast decisions by the HB City Council and then the HB residents have to rally up and fight it and also pay for those hastily decisions. In the 1980tis, the then city council thought it was a good idea to take off the ban of oil drilling and drill for oil in HB to have more money. It did got voted for and then oil contracts got signed with stipulations that the residents got another vote on it, however financially responsibility got already signed. By then all HB residents woke up to it and this oil drilling was fought for over 20 years with a price tag of over 20 millions of fines and fees for Hermosa’s residents!
Now just about when the oil drilling got settled for this amount in 2016, the then HB City Council thought it was a good idea to take on this hastily signing MOUs Greenbelt infiltration project! Again we are here to fight it and who knows how much it will cost us!? For the future we might want to think about, how to restrict the HB City Council to make those costly and hastily signed mistakes!? That all residents get an informed notification in the mail when something like this will be considered, before anything is signed and promised?
We would of saved us millions of $ and agony this way! We sure could need it for fixing roads and other infrastructure, when I look at those electrical cables tangling above us, I have the impression being in a third world country..
I am a resident who lives close to proposed project site, and I strongly oppose this project and support dissolution of the MOU. The proposed locations for this project are inappropriate due to the proximity to homes and the fact children play on top of them. We all want cleaner oceans, but not at any cost. It’s tough to see any upside for the city in this project. I urge the council to listen to the community’s input and choose to not compromise the health and safety of its residents.
The truth is a bad decision was made. Please do not add insult to injury. Step up, admit it was a bad call and do something to fix it. Certainly the city does not have to move this forward .i would hope Our council will hear us , and represent us. We are to small a community to bring that into our neighborhood. There is still areas around Herondo that Redondo could utilize before they force it on us. It is too impactful on the green belt. Shame on you all if you can’t find a better solution. Think before you act, please. We might as well have let the oil guys in, at least there the land owners would have gotten something for the troubles. Listen to your community. Thank you
I have read every one of the statements here in opposition to the proposed infiltration system. I strongly agree with them! My husband and I owned two homes and lived and raised our kids in each of them for a total of fifty years. I have always been just a few steps from the south end of the greenbelt. After the railroad was "abandoned" many of the residents worked very hard to preserve the area for an open space. There were developers around who wanted to develop the whoIe stretch of land into condos and commercial use. The argument was we have the beach, what do we need more open space far? I hope I'm not the only one here who remembers the other battles we as citizens have had with different city councils to protect the south end of town. When my husband and I first moved here there were actually vacant lots, the Ace boat Yard, 190th stopped at PCH and became a dirt road. The first city council meeting we went to was when the city was trying to stop people from having chickens in their back yards! A few of us actually went dressed like chickens! (not me) From then on there were many problems more concerns mostly about density in this little town. The redevelopment fight was the big one. It went on for over a year. Our house was in, what the council designated as a "blighted area" We, and our neighbors were all considered blighted! It's a great way to make new friends! There were many meetings One had so many people that it was moved from the council chambers to the auditorium at the community center. I think that was still the JR. HI then.There was still only standing room. It lasted until five in the morning! The people in the "north end" decided to join us because we had helped them in an oil fight so long ago that I can't even remember it! We finally won after we held enough fund raisers to hire an attorney and threaten to recall the council. It took lots of walking the neighborhoods to get enough signatures on the They had appointed themselves as the redevelopment agency. Finally they said if we vote against it will you please not recall us! So we won!
There were a couple of condo projects that had too many units. Finally one of them wanted to squeeze 15 units on a very small lot. They changed the plan from 15 units to 13 units and put a swimming pool in the extra space! I guess we won that one. And then the NO ON Oil fight which I'm sure you all remember. By that time I decided that I was too old to keep fighting--it was time for the youngsters to step up---but here I am again! All of this happened in the south end of town for some mysterious reason. Maybe people keep forgetting that we are fighters and every time they come up with a ridiculous new idea for us we will stand up and fight again! And this seems another of those times.
We don’t want this
I live one block from the Greenbelt and am opposed to this location and South Park for the infiltration project. Both locations would compromise the health and safety of our residential neighborhood. The greenbelt is a beautiful part of Hermosa Beach. Please do not destroy it with this project. It is your duty to find an alternate site that is not in the center of a residential neighborhood.
I very much oppose the Stormwater Infiltration Project in Hermosa Beach. There are dozens of other locations where this project could be located. Hermosa Beach is a tiny, residential community, with barely enough room for parks and walking space. There is absolutely no room for this project in Hermosa Beach, especially so close to my home.
This is a horrible idea. We all want cleaner oceans, but polluting the ground in our neighborhoods and underneath where our children play is not an acceptable solution (neither South Park nor Greenbelt). It's hard to believe it's even being considered, especially when there's an empty lot just yards away. It also doesn't make sense for Hermosa to have to bear the brunt of the potential environmental and safety issues when our city contributes a fraction of the water runoff that will be filtered. For the sake of our families, our children's children and the future of our city, please, please find a better solution.
We strongly oppose Hermosa Beach using the greenbelt for the infiltration project as proposed to date. We believe the City council has been negligent and taken on too much responsibility for the project and has made a mistake in not taking into consideration the full impact of this project in Hermosa Beach most importantly on the residents and the homes immediately surrounding the area. This was acknowledged in the October meeting by city council members that the lack of assessment on the residents was an oversight and the overwhelming response from the residents is that Hermosa Beach is too density populated to have a project of this size and that by proceeding Hermosa Beach will open themselves up to lawsuits should they proceed. The city council members now need to take the mature response to accept their mistake, cut their losses and hand back proportionate responsibility to the surrounding beach cities by dissolving the current MOU. At the very least the greenbelt in between 2nd and Herodondo Street needs to be removed from the proposed sites as this would have the most damage to local residents and homes if it is to be used for this purpose. While I agree we all need to take responsibility to improve the water quality in the ocean I do not believe we need to damage the health and wellbeing of the most important resources in Hermosa - the residents, families and children who live here. As the city council members you have a duty to protect and take the responsibly for the health and wellbeing of this community in Hermosa. Regards Racheal Wallis
The infiltration project location on the Hermosa Greenbelt is dangerously close to many residences. The location was not properly vetted, and the potential damage to health, usability of the greenbelt and nearby property values is too great a risk. The city has not done due diligence here. We are your neighbors and we are taxpayers. We deserve a safe and sensible resolution - not just the most expedient one. If this project was going to be outside your front door - as it would be mine - I’m sure you would understand why we strongly oppose the greenbelt location. It’s lose-lose-lose for all involved. Thank you, respectfully, Scott Goldenberg.
We strongly appose this project in our community!
We strongly oppose to the greenbelt project.
oppose. dissolve MOU agreement. Too many problems and legal issues.
I strongly oppose the location
Seems like a terrible location for a project like this.
Please keep our beautiful park safe for our kids!!! I strongly oppose this project!
I think that the only appropriate spot for this project is under the power lines along Heredondo. Nothing else can be built there and the runoff from Torrance and Redondo should be directed there. Hermosa has no real land or open areas that can be used without compromising the population. I am not pleased with the thought of all those toxins being dropped into the water table of Hermosa. Also, if there is a lot of rain and the pumps fail we are saddled with a horrific problem. Who will pay for the ongoing maintenance and repair of this system (Torrance, Redondo, Manhattan Beach?? or all costs of maintenance on Hermosa.?
I strongly oppose this project.
As a home owner in Hermosa Beach, I strongly oppose this project. Overall, it is a negative detractor on the overall neighborhood in addition to negative environmental impacts. Please do the right thing and turn this project down.
Dear Hermosa Beach City Council: I recall a time in the past where each one of you were inspired to get involved to stop oil drilling in HB. That involvement eventually led to you running for City Council. And, you are a top notch City Council, in part, because your roots are with the residents and what is in their best interests. It must seem like deja vu when you see residents who are similarly inspired to stop the big dig. Please find an alternative location for this important project. My sense is RB has more available area for this important project, especially with NRG vacating in the future. With kind regards, Mark Burton
I am a home owner in Hermosa Beach and I strongly oppose this project!
This greenbelt infiltration project would significantly damage the benefits of living in south hermosa including my children’s safety. Hermosa recently spent a good amount of money re-doing south part which has become a haven of enjoyment for children and families in the area. It’s a heavily used park because of the investment made and location. By putting this project directly behind the park it will prevent us as a family from using the park. There are so many other areas to consider for this project and right next to a park where the future of our society plays is not the place. We choose to live in south hermosa for the community and ammeneties even though we don’t have a yard. This park is our one green haven in the area. If you take away our ability to use the park because of construction and smell we will be taking our tax paying dollars to another community so that we can find a safe piece of grass/park for our children to play at.
Why waste the investment made in this piece of land when there are many more options for this constructions at different points in the Greenbelt. If hermosa is not protecting the children of our community and prioritizing them then I fear this lovely family community will change over to a town of transient renters who are looking for the best value because rental prices will drop versus a place to have a long term home.
Greenbelt and South Park are not the locations for this kind of project. I strongly oppose.
I strongly oppose this brown belt project.
Please stop this green belt project.
Dear City Council,
I strongly oppose the greenbelt water infiltration project. I’m a long term resident living a couple blocks from this area and walk my dog and 21 month old daughter along the chip trail on a daily basis. We also go to the park regularly and don’t want to see the area over run with construction. Please don’t approve this large scale project that will bring toxins directly into our neighborhood where our children live and play. Thanks for your time and consideration!
I oppose the greenbelt project
I am opposed to his project at both proposed locations, the Greenbelt and South Park. There is simply not enough room to hold a project of this magnitude. No follow-up studies have been done to ascertain true water table levels at either location despite detailed input from local engineers. Everyone wants a clean ocean but you must take a responsible course of action to achieve that outcome. Please dissolve the MOU.
I oppose this project. It is time to dissolve the MOU (watershed agreement among Redondo, Torrance, Manhattan, and Hermosa allowing all the neighboring cities water to be filtered in the land beneath our homes. I am blown away that we are even having this conversation and that our own city council is not fighting for us residents. This is such a common sense issue and makes me wonder why our council members seem to have lost all common sense? Protect our tiny bit of land, protect our residents. Period.
The Council serves at the behest of the community. The community has spoken. Time to put to rest an idea that was not brought to the community in a way that was above board and that does not serve the interest of the locals that are affected. The cause is not the issue, the decision making process and the location is.
Dear City Council -
I am a 25+ year homeowner/resident of Hermosa Beach with a home that is almost on the greenbelt area in question. I vehemently oppose locating the project on our iconic greenbelt and near so many homes. Clean water is critical, but so is protecting our unique and beautiful community. I understand the deadline of April 1st, but selecting the Greenbelt as the project site to satisfy a deadline is not in the interest of the citizens you serve. There has not been sufficient time or research to make this detrimental decision. Dissolve the MOU and let each city clean its share of the water. This is the only way to protect both our water and our homes, and to safeguard one of our city treasures.... the beloved greenbelt.
Mary A Young
555 4th St, HB
For the many reasons already expressed by those opposing the project
Let’s do something good for the ocean; but don’t forget about the people. We need common sense; put the Herondo Storm Drain underground filtration project where there is minimal impact on people and buildings. Anyone that believes that the Greenbelt is the proper location for this project should walk the perimeter of the proposed project and actually look at the proximity to the front doors and windows of your neighbors. Imagine living there during years of construction; and not knowing what the long term effects will be. Then look south across Herondo at the acres of available land including the soon to be gone power plant.
I oppose the infiltration project. Hermosa Beach City Council should vote to end the MOU with its neighboring cities.
I oppose this project and believe it is time to dissolve the MOU (watershed agreement among Redondo, Torrance, Manhattan, and Hermosa allowing all the neighboring cities water to be filtered in the land beneath our homes
Dear City Council,
Clean water matters. Our homes matter. Our community matters. The city is up against a deadline. You have until April 1st to convince the state resources control board that you should be able to retain the $3M grant. But choosing the Greenbelt as the project site to satisfy a deadline for the grant money should not be to the citizens’ detriment. We have only had three meetings where city council was able to discuss this project and learn all you can. Was that enough? I don’t think so. I don’t think staff has provided enough information, or studies, regarding the feasibility of the Greenbelt (or South Park for that matter) as a location. This deadline doesn’t require that you make a decision that goes against the interests of over 750 residents. There is a way out. Dissolve the MOU. I am in favor of dissolving the MOU and allowing each city to clean its share of the water. This makes sense. It might cost a little more upfront. But the savings in the long run will be so worth it. You will clean the water. You will save our environment on so many levels. You will save our homes.
I love our neighboring city of Redondo, and when you have friends, its best to give them bad news immediately. Because of our lack of open space and high-density housing in South Hermosa, we can only do our fair share of the infiltration, which equates to a project about 10% the size currently before Hermosa Council. Council please vote to dissolve the MOU so Redondo can immediately begin to negotiate one of the large open spaces south of Herondo Street or up 190th street. We can also hope that when Redondo sites their project, they will consider including Hermosa’s 10%, and we will obviously pay them our portion.
I oppose the green belt infiltration project. Dissolve the current MOU.
Hermosa Beach Councilmembers: the Hermosa Beach Greenbelt and South Park are both unsuitable locations for Stormwater Infiltration Facilities of any size. Hermosa Beach residents Alex Reizman, Debbie Sanowski and Carla McAuley have each done extensive and exhaustive research over the last 12 months. I stand with each of them, and I urge each of you to pass a motion to dissolve the current MOU. The community is now highly engaged and there is a different path forward to achieving compliance. Thank you.
I opposed putting the filtration project underneath the greenbelt between Herondo and Second Street because it would remove the 40-50 year old trees there.
Doing a longer, narrower project underneath the greenbelt between Second Street and Eighth Street makes more sense because it could spare all the greenbelt trees and it minimizes the risk of damage to home foundation during construction or due to liquification later.
Doing this project in middle of the South Park also makes the most sense since it also spares the trees and may be farthest from any home foundations.
In any case, there is a risk of liquification caused by this project and the city should insure itself for the value of all adjacent properties until this risk is better understood.
Its pretty obvious this community doesn't want this project. Especially at the greenbelt.
Unfortunately, this community seems to be a massive, angry echo chamber of hate towards the project. I wish we could have a civilized discussion in which the actual merits and disadvantages of the project could be discussed.
Please do not disturb the beautiful park that many, many children and dogs play in daily.
I am for cleaning the ocean of course. But not at the unfair expense of the green belt residents. The South Bay Cities should all be involved in this effort not just Hermosa Beach. The vacant lot just south of Herondo St seems the ideal place for such a project.
I am strongly opposed to the Greenbelt Infiltration Project as currently designed and I respectfully submit that we dissolve the MOU allowing Manhattan Beach, Redondo Beach, and Torrance to filter water beneath our homes. The greenbelt is not the place for such a project and our little city shouldn't be the filtering spot for three large cities. The vacant lot across Herondo (between Catalina and Francisca) or the property (across PCH) where the car lot was would be much better choices. They are in nearby proximity to the greenbelt and putting the infiltration project in either place would enhance the area as opposed to destroying the greenbelt.
I am an non-resident owner at 447 Herondo Street. it is time to dissolve the MOU (watershed agreement among Redondo, Torrance, Manhattan, and Hermosa allowing all the neighboring cities water to be filtered in the land beneath our homes).
I completely oppose this project. I live on Valley and my living room, as well as bedrooms, are on Valley directly across from the site. The noise and pollution from the project would be horrendous. My parents who are 96 and 90 live with me. This would be awful for them and their health.
This is not a project for a densely occupied area. There are properties all along this stretch of the greenbelt. Who in their right mind thinks this
project belongs in a densely populated residential neighborhood. I don't see anyone on the council who wants this huge project in their front yard so why do you believe it should be in mmine?
None of these objections even consider how much the affected residents will lose in the value of their property. Is the City prepared for a massive lawsuit to recover the value we homeowners will lose? I'm guessing my property will drop 25-30% in valuer. I speak as a REALTOR with 40 years of experience in the Beach Cities.
We have had to contend with the AES facility for years.. We are finally possibly getting rid of the plant and all of the stuff that goes with it and you want to put this massive project across the street? This truly makes no sense to do this when so many residents will be affected. I can't imagine what could have possessed the Council to even consider this project in this location. The noise, pollution, and all the other related items this project will produce are not compatible with residential living.
When Redondo decided to redo Herondo the noise, trucks, digging and dirt were awful and that was for just a few weeks. You are talking years of work, noise, pollution and heavy trucks and machinery day in and day out. It was a dumb idea and it is still a dumb idea.
Let Redondo deal with it.
they cause a far larger percent of the problem than Hermosa does. If the City buys the land offered by the new owners of the AES plant ( which they plan to do according to Mayor Bill Brand) .. They will make it a park and you could easily put in the system you need under the park. There would be no disruption to the land as it must be cleared anyway.
The Council needs to be responsive to the residents of the area not to some bureaucratic entity!
Where's the FAQ. Still missing. This is a complicated project. We need the FAQ to started and kept up to date.
Far better options across the street. The project is unneeded, dangerous to underlying soil stability and previous projects the same as and similar to this near dense residential housing have been resounding failures.
Please see the attached correspondence to council opposing the development of a massive infiltration project in our city either on the Greenbelt or at South Park. The only responsible course of action is to dissolve the MOU for the reasons stated.
This project should not proceed on the Greenbelt and so close to homes and parks.
There are more suitable options and sites for the size of this project.
Strongly oppose. Dissolve the MOU.
Dear HB City Council,
Once again, I speak on behalf of the residents and owners of Beachside Condominiums, at the corner of Valley Drive and Herondo Street. We are adamantly opposed to the massive Greenbelt water infiltration project that remains at the top of the list of priorities for City Council. The simple fact that this project was planned for a specially designated area---the Greenbelt---which is mere feet away from dozens of homes, is a travesty. We well understand the need to preserve the ocean and our beaches; but, channeling all the neighboring cities' run-off through such a heavily built area will quite literally swamp our South Hermosa neighborhood in any rainy season.
We will not tolerate any threat to our property and right to a peaceful existence. We strongly recommend that the City move immediately to dissolve the MOU and leave each partner city to solve their own water filtration issues.
Barbara Sabo, Beachside HOA Secretary FY 2019-20
It's past time to dissolve the MOU
it is time to dissolve the MOU (watershed agreement among Redondo, Torrance, Manhattan, and Hermosa allowing all the neighboring cities water to be filtered in the land beneath our homes.
We all share the goal of cleaner oceans. However, the solution must be implemented reasonably, equitably, and most importantly safely. There is a reason why large scale infiltration projects are not sited so close to the ocean: The high groundwater levels simply do not leave room to infiltrate. Council Members please challenge the City Staff to provide you of a single example of similar sized, similar design, similarly ocean proximity sited infiltration project anywhere in California.
A single large scale Infiltration project; one that is required to take in over 7 acre-feet of water, is not feasible in Hermosa Beach. Smaller, shallower projects – and ones that are consistent with the Hermosa Beach contribution to the Storm-water outflow should be pursued.
This project is a disaster waiting to happen and needs to be reconsidered for a different location. It is time to do what is right and just for the community of Hermosa Beach, and not make a decision based purely on economics or worse ignorance.
Please do the right thing here and stop this project in it's tracks - not just for the current Hermosa Beach residents but for future generations.
Pick just a street not a green area
Not only the Hermosa Beach Staff, but the Hermosa Beach residents demand to:
" Initiate a dissolution or an amendment of the MOU and negotiate a suitable substitute or revised MOU and project with the City’s partners, relinquish the Grant and forfeit the grant funding".
Once again, we want this project to be realized, but NOT in Hermosa Beach! Even the City Manager Staff indicated in the February 4th letter:
"On February 4, 2019, staff met with staff from Redondo Beach, Manhattan Beach, and Torrance to discuss how to proceed expeditiously to retain the grant funding and achieve the permit requirements. At this meeting, the Manhattan Beach and Torrance Public Works Directors and Redondo Beach Assistant City Manager expressed that if the original memorandum of Understanding (MOU) for the project cannot be accomplished in Hermosa Beach, they would like the Hermosa Beach City Council to prepare a letter dissolving the MOU and forfeiting the grant because they are NOT confident that Hermosa Beach can site a project."
The Hermosa Beach City Council needs to support the residents! We have been fighting to keep this project out of our city for one year!!!
We have WASTED our time fighting this project because the City of Hermosa Beach DID NOT do its due diligence at the OUTSET of the project, nor was there sufficient NOTICE and TRANSPARENCY about the project in years past.
Those of us who have taken up the fight against placing this project on the Greenbelt or in South Park or ANYWHERE in Hermosa Beach have regular, daytime jobs, and we are not getting PAID to research, write, discuss, and speak about this issue. I, as a board member of the Mooring Townhome HOA, do not receive a salary for my work as a board member. But EVERY ONE OF YOU UP HERE, and others not present who work for the city ALL receive salaries. It does not seem equitable that the people who are fighting this project are NOT being remunerated, while the very people that should be representing the INTERESTS of the people of this community ARE being paid salaries for their work, and are being paid handsomely - far more than many of us who are fighting to save our public parklands from destruction. This situation borders on the absurd on a veritable ALICE IN WONDERLAND scale.
It just does not make sense, and yet, we have to be told by nameless and UNELECTED bureaucrats who think they know BETTER than the rest of us community members that the south end of the “Greenbelt Infiltration Project is the highest priority project identified in the Beach Cities EWMP.” If this project was the “HIGHEST PRIORITY PROJECT,” then why weren’t the people living ADJACENT to the project notified in a TIMELY manner? Where is the TRANSPARENCY? Where is the concern for the people DIRECTLY AFFECTED by this project not notified sooner — years sooner? This whole debacle is the biggest OUTRAGE that the citizens of this community have EVER had to endure. And we have had to endure this OUTRAGE for MONTHS AND MONTHS now. And WHY? Because you all DID NOT do your homework on this project, nor did you do your due diligence. WE, the citizens of THIS community, have had to do your due diligence for you — and on OUR DIME AND OUR TIME. We are done with this proposal. We DEMAND that you REJECT this proposal and START OVER FROM SCRATCH. It is the LEAST you can do for the citizens of this community after the missteps you have all made. I repeat, it’s the LEAST you can do.
Strongly oppose this project in Hermosa Beach.
----- Please note there was a typo in the last sentence of my wife's comment below (Barbara Kaber) Should read "This size/scope infiltration project does "NOT" belong in Hermosa Beach.
Why would you do this to your residents who absolutely elected you to the Hermosa Beach City Council? I ask you to stand on the greenbelt at the proposed site and just look to the east at our homes. Seriously just stand there and imagine what you are asking of us and our densely populated neighborhood. These are our homes, this is OUR neighborhood and our LIVES!!!!!!! Can you honestly and truthfully say you all would support this disastrous location if you and your families lived here like we do? I could make myself available ANYTIME to meet you on the greenbelt. After and only after you look to the east at our homes, the proximity of this proposed "project" and put yourself(s) in our shoes. I would ask you to look me straight in the eye and tell me that we have absolutely nothing to worry about and we the Hermosa Beach City Council think that this is the perfect location for this project. This size/scope infiltration project does belong in Hermosa Beach period.
Strongly oppose the Greenbelt and South Park locations. It is time to dissolve the MOU.
This project is inappropriate ANYWHERE in Hermosa! I urge HB residents to read Carla McCauley's letter to City Council from Oct 8th as a refresher that outlines the key issues and what we should demand of our council.
Strongly support a clean ocean; Strongly OPPOSE this project's proposed alternative locations - Greenbelt and South Park.
Strongly oppose this project - terrible for the neighborhood!
March, 24, 2019
Re: REPORT 19-0191 Proposed Greenbelt Infiltration Project
Dear Hermosa City Council Members:
While we certainly and wholeheartedly understand the reasons for the proposed Greenbelt Infiltration Project and support such action. However we do not support and must disagree with the irresponsible action to locate such an invasive project in the heart of our local community. The impact of this project would be detrimental, both during construction and operation to the quality of life and health of the surrounding residents.
A study was undertaken to determine a site, yet the site itself was obviously not properly evaluated for its suitability and close proximity to neighboring residents and their properties.
It seems the tables have turned, as the site’s suitability does not seem to be the major concern of the city, but rather it appears to be financial—as penalties and fines are the focus and the reasons…not the impacts and problems for those in the area surrounding the site. The problems will be ongoing for the residents of the proposed project’s surrounding neighborhood.
Can penalties be used as justification by the city for their action? Excuses are always unacceptable behavior.
Excuses set a bad example for everyone, because an excuse, if that becomes our focus, is a way of not taking responsibility. We don’t accept excuses when our children give us a reason why they didn’t do the right thing. Do we accept or excuse the City now for actions that are not based on what is good for whole?
Poor planning only stands to hurt others. And basic good judgement and foresight was not carried through in looking at all of the impacts of this project, but that does not mean we can’t come to our senses and do what is right at any moment.
Don’t let an excuse color your behavior or your own personal integrity. We all need to be responsible for our actions, because they affect others.
Please do NOT approve the proposed Greenbelt Infiltration Project, but rather adopt Staff recommended Option 3 - Dissolve the MOU and determine another project location.
Ron and Barbara Taylor
114 Monterey Blvd.
Hermosa Beach, CA 90254
Strongly opposed. Bad idea & remember the Oil Drilling & impact that had on council members who supported it. The same will happen on this issue.
As a homeowner along the Greenbelt I oppose this project for many of the same reasons noted by others on this page.
I urge the City Council to disregard the secretive, short-cut approach it has been taking and embark upon a more open and respectful approach to this very real infiltration challenge by listening to the affected communities and taking the time for considering more fact-based approaches to reaching a solution.
The short term “benefit” of potentially avoiding uncertain future fines by approving this bad proposal are surely offset by the certain costs of legal challenges that this inadequate and likely illegal process will bring.
This is a destructive and inappropriate proposal and must be rejected.
I am totally against this Greenbelt project.
Again we find ourselves having to defend our neighborhood, health and home values from bad deals made my our "leaders". Please do the right thing and make our community peaceful for all residents.
Highly OPPOSED to the greenbelt project. This is not the correct site, other options such as the strand would be far less impactful to the community and residents. This project has been disgraceful from the start with the lack of transparency. Now that it’s down to the wire, do not force this upon the community and make it a very bad situation because of fines and lack of ingenuity on the cities part to find the best solution possible.
As residents of the mooring townhomes, our front door opens directly on to the green belt. Our daughter is due in 3 weeks, her nursery that we just spent months putting together backs up onto the green belt. The noise, and the amount of dust that our little one, and all homes along the green belt will have to endure for months is extremely unsettling.
THIS CANNOT HAPPEN TO OUR GREENBELT!!! They MUST listen to reason but none of them live near the south end of the greenbelt. The greenbelt is 3 3/4 miles long and there are only houses on 1/4 mile of it at the south end. THATS WHERE THEY WANT TO DESTROY THE GREENBELT AND ALL THE OLD GROWTH TREES!!! This project will take over 2 years to complete and is in these people's FRONT YARDS AND WILL DESTROY ONE OF THE NICEST PARTS OF THE GREENBELT!!! STOP THIS TRAVESTY!!!
Please do not ruin my slice of heaven. There's no reason that this can't be placed at the AES plant as they convert that new development. That would make this project painless for all. They've already committed a large portion of the 46 acres to park lane. If not, this needs to move to the other side of PCH, where the water table is deeper. I can't believe that Torrance and Redondo, with much of more land, cannot come up with a site. Why is it left to the small and only green belt and park lanes we have in S. Hermosa. We're already going to have to put up with the major pollution when they teardown the AES plant. Enough is enough....please leave our community's green areas alone and force the larger cities with many times the watershed to find an area. The Underground power lines shouldn't be an issue anymore because AES is destined to be gone soon.
I strongly oppose this project. Further I will vote against any council member who votes for it as will the five members of my family. What's wrong with putting on it the power station land. It already has retention ponds & is closer to the drain outlet.
I OPPOSE this project for the many reasons my neighbors have most eloquently outlined in previous comments. It is not appropriate for a small town where it would be placed so close to people’s homes. Clean ocean, absolutely, but not at so high a cost to our community.
This is an assault on things we must hold precious now more than ever: Our Environment, Our Community, Our Property Rights and Our Democracy.
*Our environment*: Yes, we all want clean oceans. This must be done while ensuring we do not damage other important parts of our fragile seaside ecosystem. The current Greenbelt proposal (and others) are demonstrably destructive and have not undergone the required level of environmental impact study that should be expected/demanded by all in this 21st Century.
*Our community*: The current proposal disrupts the community in immediate, future and potentially permanent ways through construction, noise, environmental and aesthetic damage which will reduce the quality of life and sustainability of our beach community.
*Our property rights*: We all understand the value of the soil we live on in the South Bay. This destructive propopsal usurps our rights to defend the value of the residential and recreational land we live and play upon. Moreover, the proposal ignores less-invasive and disruptive sites where this necessary filtration could occur, including commercial-zoned areas such as AES.
*Our democracy*: The shameful way in which members of the Hermosa Beach City Council and staff acted (and didn't act) undermines our political system and threatens the role of representative government. The passive indifference of Redondo and Manhattan Beach politicians is also shameful. The Beach Cities should be united in upholding a lifestyle and ecosystem that benefits us all. We will remember this each and every Election Day. Voters must reward Council members who stand up for their constituency and must punish the cowardly politicians who hide their actions, point fingers and cower behind self-interested corporations and their self-serving studies.
I urge all South Bay residents, property owners and environmentalists to rise in support of the above values and in opposition of this mis-guided and poorly executed proposal.
Oppose the location. It really shouldn’t be located anywhere near residents’ homes.
It also should not be carved out of our Greenbelt...it has had enough pieces cut out of it
to accommodate parking on the Valley side of the street. The Greenbelt needs more trees not fewer.
We all want to help clean the oceans but this project needs more space and not be near homes.
Suggest Redondo Beach, perhaps Torrance?
WE ALL WANT A CLEANER OCEAN, BUT AT WHAT COST??
When last we left our City Council Members, they were going to go back and talk to Redondo and try to partner to find a more appropriate spot on the other side of Herondo where there are not as many homes within 500 feet of the proposed project.
I fear this strategy was a ploy to run the clock and say "we don't have time to make a different choice or we'll owe people money."
Deadlines and/or owing money was not an issue when it came to oil drilling in Hermosa. While the outcome here is more palatable, A clean ocean is important, but we have to remember the cost to the residents as well. Putting the fecal matter under the Greenbelt with machinery that can break and harm wildlife, people, and homes is not appropriate. This a burden for all 4 cities to bear, but there are hundreds of us living near the Greenbelt who shouldn't be asked to bear the brunt of it with the possibility of broken homes and lower quality of life.
City Council has been presented with a compelling amount of information as to the technical, legal and engineering problems of constructing this project on the greenbelt. Everyone wants clean water. Our vehement opposition is to the location, not to the project. It must be easy for Council to want to go ahead with the green belt since none of the members live in the affected properties. Please, I'm begging you, please move the location, I'm in tears as I'm about to watch our life savings literally disappear along with the value and safety of our home.
The project is not appropriate for the Greenbelt or South Park. It belongs in an industrial area or at the very least not near any homes or play areas. The city should not rush into making a decision, just because of the possibility of losing the grant. ALL options must be thoroughly reviewed which includes, possible smaller projects and/or having more discussions with other cities and having them take on some of the burden.
This is not right for Hermosa!
No one is saying no infiltration. We are saying NO to the Greenbelt. There are several other places that would be much much better. Herondo street. Under the sand in front of Herondo.
The Hermosa city council did this behind our backs and did everything possible to keep the citizens out of it because they are greedy and knew we wouldn’t stand for it.
They know what they did. And they should be ashamed. And the fact that Hermosa is losing that 3 million dollar grant is the fault of city council.
Also, has there been an audit to see where every penny of that grant is? I would be curious to know if it ended up in places it shouldn’t have
Oppose the location of the Green Belt Hermosa Beach, and or South Park Hermosa Beach. The infiltration project would seem a natural fit for the Redondo Beach AES property. Wet lands / park lands are part of the planned mixed use for the 51 acres and, the underground pool could be built first and then the park around it. Stuffing the lightening bolt shaped cement pond with holes into our green belt is like trying to put a 10 lbs.of potatoes into a 5 pound bag. Everyone wants a cleaner Ocean, so residents will not oppose the project as long as it's not on very scarce, to extremely rare Hermosa Beach public lands.
I want a clean ocean.
There is a plethora of scientific evidence that speaks loudly to the inappropriateness of the Greenbelt location for this infiltration project. Stop wasting precious time and do what Redondo Beach has proposed: Prepare a letter dissolving the MOU, forfeit the grant and let each
individual city take care of their proportionate share of the runoff. In addition, the current design calls for electric pumps to be installed above ground, which Justin Massey acknowledged at the October 9th City Council meeting is in violation of the zoning laws for the Greenbelt
as well as South Park. THIS IS THE ONLY SOLUTION.
I oppose the placement of the infiltration project on our lovely greenbelt.
Clearly no thought has been given to the residents of this small community.
This is a terrible plan against the residences and city of Hermosa Beach! i am so disappointed/upset to say the least! Just because the largest waste water drain is close to the Greenbelt, which is dumping sludge from as far away as So. Bay Galleria-Artisea Blvd., Torrance, Redondo Beach DO NOT DUMP THIS PROBLEM ON HERMOSA BEACH. Destroy Greenbelt/South park. PLEASE do what is right, none of us want pollution in the OCEAN, find a solution with Redondo Beach! It appears this has been ignored with only a false impression you are trying to find other locations. A year as gone by and now it is no further, and no true effort to resolve. You represent HB not the other cities..correct? Brian
worst idea ever. actually do what you were elected to do and listen to the people you work for !
Worst idea ever
Put on 190th, plain and simple. Figure it out.
I live on the green belt. I am appalled at the plans for this project.
Too large for this small community - we should do our portion, not Redondo’s as well!!!
The Greenbelt is a Fatally Flawed Site for an Infiltration Treatment Plant.
The City Council cannot go forward with this location without imposing a significant personal and property risk of damage on the surrounding residents.
A. The Water Table is too High for an Underground Infiltration Project.
The design to infiltrate 2,400,000 gallons of water directly into the Greenbelt during every storm event, is inherently defective. With groundwater elevations range between 30 feet to as high as 10 feet below ground level, it doesn’t take a genius to realize that the water is to darn high for this project to work as promised. The factual basis of this is detailed by Moorings resident and engineer Alex Reizmanks multiple letters previously submitted to Council. In order to comply with legal regulations given the water table calculations, the bottom of the entire infiltration structure would have to be no more than 5 feet below ground. This is a physical impossibility if the plant is to be buried underground. There is a reason large infiltration projects of this magnitude are not built near the beach, you simply cannot successfully infiltrate into a high water table.
B. Homes and Structures are at Risk of due to Soil Subsidence & Liquefaction Hazards
Another fatal defect of the Greenbelt site is the liquefaction and soil subsidence risks to the surrounding homes, underground basements and parking structures. These too are detailed in a second letter drafted by Mr. Reizman to this City Council. When Tetra Tech was asked by Mr. Reizman at the May 10, 2018 meet up about the risks of subsidence and liquefaction, Tetra Tech assured him that the infiltration plant would be built to withstand such risks. When a few participants responded, well that’s nice for the treatment plant, but what about our homes existing right on top of and next to the structure? Tetra Tech responded that they would be fine. When questioned as to how he knew that the homes would be fine, the employee conceded that there was no study or analysis of impact on surrounding structures completed nor was one planned under the terms of their current contract with the City. Who wouldn’t be upset at such a lack of concern for the surrounding homeowners and their property?
C. Zoning Laws.
The Greenbelt is zoned OS-1, Restricted Open Space. When I asked Councilman Massey (on Facebook) about the inherent conflict of an industrial sized water treatment plant being built on the Greenbelt, a park zoned open space, Mr. Massey responded that since the project was going underground, zoning laws do not apply. I’m no zoning or land use expert but I’m not entirely convinced that we can rely on this legal conclusion.
As the HB City Attorney discussed in his excellent legal analysis on Greenbelt building restrictions, “the physical improvements permitted on the Greenbelt are limited by Sec 17.32.030 to the improvements stated therein.”12 The only underground items enumerated in the Code as permissible for the Greenbelt are: irrigation improvements, erosion control and anti-seawater intrusion wells. All three items are expressly listed in the HB zoning Code as viable improvements as they are “stated therein”. Underground stormwater infiltration plants are not included on the approved list. Simply put, if it’s not on the list, it can’t be built and stormwater infiltration plants are most definitely not on the list. If, as Mr. Massey stated, zoning laws don’t apply because the project is underground, why do the zoning laws, as detailed by the City Attorney, discuss what is and what is not permissible to be built under the ground of the Greenbelt? It appears that there is a legal argument to be made that this infiltration project is a zoning, if not other, legal violation. (see Jenkins & Hogin, Memorandum to HB City Council, “Improvements on the Greenbelt” February 22, 2018)
We implore the HB City Council to do its duty and protect the interests of the HB residents. If previous Councils or staff made expensive mistakes, do not foist the burden on the residents living on the greenbelt to pay the price.
3rd Street, Hermosa Beach
We would not be in this predicament if the city employees had not VOLUNTEERED our Greenbelt for this monster infiltration project and if the city would have notified us, the residents, several years ago when this happened.
We would not have become collateral damage if the environmental analyst would have done her due diligence and not let us become the lead agency, in her words, by “default.”
We would not be in this predicament if the city employees would have done the proper studies concerning liquefaction, the water table and the impact on the adjacent homes 10-15 feet away from this project, which, by the way, is what the city is calling an “oversight."
There are many more failures that could be added to this list, but the bottom line is that the city has failed to put its residents first. Even Redondo Beach doesn’t want this project on Francisca Avenue (not even a residential street) because of concerns about potential soil contamination!
The honorable thing for the City Council to do is to initiate a dissolution of the MOU. I hope you will make the right decision this time.
The vast majority of Hermosa Beach citizens are against water infiltration in the greenbelt, particularly against doing an infiltration project at the end of the greenbelt where not even a road separates 75 families and their homes from the construction. At last call within the city council meeting, all citizens south of Pier were firmly against doing the water infiltration project in the greenbelt location. If the city council presses forward with an infiltration project at that location, they are clearly doing so against the wishes of the majority of citizens of Hermosa Beach.
I oppose the disruption to our recreation, transportation, cable, telephone, internet, water, and gas services that will be incurred with the installation of this South Bay Septic Tank on Valley Street between Herondo Street and 2nd Street. I oppose the hydrological, geological, and atmospheric degradation of my property by implementing such an intrusive project within 30 yards of my property. The installation of such a septic tank would be more appropriately located at other less densely populated sites. For instance, it would be more appropriate for such a septic tank be installed under the uninhabitable high-voltage easement in the non-residential area south of 190th Street and east of Francisca Avenue. Damages suffered by Beachside Condominiums during the installation of the Herondo Street Low Flow Storm Water Diversion project and the following legal ordeal in obtaining a settlement with the contractors has taught our condominium a painfully valuable lesson. The City of Hermosa Beach will be held responsible for losses and damages suffered by residences resulting from locating this harmfully intrusive project between Herondo St and 2nd Street.